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e10go 2008/09/04 13:01 > homuresu taisaku no bungyou tte kinoushi tetakke ?

kouiu jirei wo miru to , matomo ni kinoushi teiruka utagawa shiidesune .
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demo , jichitai niyotteha , nagoyashi no youni sorenarini kinoushi teiru tokoro moarimasune .
watashi no sun deiru tokoro ha , kyonen , seikatsu hogo wo uchikira rete gashi shita nin gaimasu .
soredemo , toshokan de homuresu no mondai ha oki teimasen .
ichiou , homuresu taisaku ga kinoushi teimasunode .

kouiu mondai ga oki runoha , sono chiiki no tokusei toiuka , sono chiiki ( jichitai . juumin ) no jigoujitoku ? kamo .
nagoyashi no chikaku ni sun deita toki mo , ima iru basho mo , homuresu wo haijo suru ugoki haamarinaidesune .
gyakuni shien suru ugoki no houga medachi masu .
kouiu tokoro deha , homuresu mondai ( tokuni chiikijuumin tono masatsu ) ha medata nai youni omoi masu .
homuresu wo haijo sunjanaku shien sureba , konna mondai oki naito omou desukedo .

ypcpn8 2008/09/05 02:26 > homuresu taisaku nibita ichibun dashi takunaitoiunoga juumin no ikou deareba , toshokan deno fukai ha jigoujitoku dato omou kedonya .

watashi mosou omou .

ueno nin ( e10go ) ga genkyuu shiteiru gashisha no hanashi mo , sorezoreno chiiki kyoudoutai de konkyuu suru rinjin wo tasuke ru shuukan datoka mentaritei datokagaareba hassei shinai mondai da .

somosomo fukushi toiu ( ta ) no ryouiki no katsudou ha keizaikatsudou toonnajide , kokka ga juppa hitokarageni shori dekiruyouna tanjunna shiromono dehanai . shikashi fukushikokka ha ( zen jinmin noshiyawasenotameni ) to shoushi te ooku no zeikin wo atsume tsuduke te juppa hitokarageni ooku nokotowoyarakashiteiru .

dakara jinmin no kan deha ( fukushi ha kokka no shigoto dashi ore hachanto nouzei shiteirushi rinjin ga komaro uga shino uga ore niha kankei nee ) toiu kangae ga sodatte shimaunoha shikata naitomoieru .

rinjin wokaeriminai tsumeta i seishin noariyouha ( daitoshi byou ) nadoto ayamatte yoba reteirukedomo , koreha toshi no kibo niha kankei nai hanashi deatte , gyousei ga fukushi wo sandatsu shiteitekatsu jinmin ga gyousei nisubetewo izon shiteiru kuukan dehadokodemo shouji uru mentaritei dato omou .

kokka dehanaku chiiki gotono kojin ya katei subetega fukushi maindo wo motta toshitara , sono fukushi kyoukyuu ryou ha kantan ni kingaku ni kansan dekinaihodo kyodai darouto omou . kokka ga ( fukushi niha n okuen tsukai mashita ) tokayutteru chinke na reberu janaihazunanoda .

watashi ha izen nidokokade ( kokka gamajimeni shotoukyouiku woyaritainodeareba shougakkouteigakunen no nenkanyosan dakede 70 chouen kakaruhazuda ( kakerubekida ) toyuttakedomo , soretoonnajikotoda . subeteno katei no hogosha ga yo a ya noyouna supaurutora kyouikusha dearu hitsuyou hanai . shikashisubeteno katei ga kokka ni izon sezuni mizukara kyouiku ni komitto surunodeareba , sono katsudou ga umidasu kachi ha hakari shire nai . kokka ga ( kyouiku yosan ha n okuen desu ) tokayutteru chinke na reberu dehanaihazunanoda .

kokka gayarerukotoha taka ga shire teite hinsou na mono shika kyoukyuu dekinai . soreyorimo shihou kokubou chisui dakeni shuuchuu shitehoshiito omou . sorega kokka honrai no shigoto nanodakara .

kokka ga fuhou ni fukushi yara kyouiku yarano kenri wo sandatsu shiteirukarasorerano ryouiki kara yutaka na jinmin no chikara ga ushinawa re , subeteno jinmin ga doujini binbo natteshimau .

ypcpn8 2008/09/05 03:16 aa , sorede toshokan wodousurukatoiu hanashi dakedo watashi niha an haarimasen .w

ittei chiiki ni homuresu ga oshi kome rarete getto kashi tari seikatsu hogo ga uchikira rete gashi suru nin gaitarisurutoiukotogasudeni jinmin no kan kara fukushi no chikara ga ushinawa reteiru shousa dearukara , kokka ha kane wo jinmin ni modosu bekidearu . tsumarihotondoarayuru zeikin wo haishi surukotoga hitsuyou da .

shikashi jinmin ni kane wo modosu dakedehamada juubun denai . mou ichi suteppu hitsuyou da . kokka noseide daikibo ni ushinawa reteshimatta fukushi mentaritei wo jinmin no mani kaifuku suru rihabiri wonantokasenebanaranai .

chounaikai reberu no chiiki kyoudoutai ha jissaini iki te ugoi te hitoto ta wo taigen shinakerebanaranai . rinjin no konkyuu do hasono rinjin tachiga seikaku ni haaku dekiru reberu no tsuyoi musubi tsukiga hitsuyou dakarada . sarani konkyuu shiteitemo mie wo hatte tasuke wo motome nakattarisuru nin gairunodearebasouiu mentaritei mo sute ru doryou no ookisa ga hitsuyou da . enjo suru gawa hasoreniyotte gouman ninattarishinaiyoudekirudake kakure te enjo subekida . soremo mentaritei hitotsudenantokanaru .

toshokan taisaku hasono tsugino motto haireberu na hanashi darounaa .

tikani_nemuru_M 2008/09/05 07:51 > e10go
senjitsu no entori tsuikabun de rinku shita shiryou ni , homuresu notameno shisetsu wotsukuroutoshite juumin no hantai niai , sokowo toshokan nishitara kekkyoku homuresu ni senkyo sareteshimatta , nante jirei gaattanoha shisateki desuyonya . naninishiro , toshokan ni eiseijoutai nowarui homuresu ga oshi yose rutoiukoto jitai ga gyousei no shippai dearukotoha akiraka nanoni , sarani haijo shite mina ifuriwoshiyouttenohanyadarouto omoi masunya .


> waipi
oo , waipi fushi da !
kokkakenryoku gawaipinoiu ( futou na ) kanshou woshinakunatta joukyou niokeru toshokan toiunoha , tokushika ga chuushin tonatte chiiki kyoudoutai no un'ei toiu katachi ninarudaroukara , hitsuzenteki ni chiiki kyoudoutai no fukushi madoguchi nimonattekurundenyano ? jouhou jakusha ha makoto no jakusha dearukotowo kangae ruto , jouhou ni akusesu suru sabisu madoguchi ga fukushi madoguchi wo kane rutoiunoha gouriteki datoha omoi masunya .

ypcpn8 2008/09/05 08:56 > jouhou jakusha ha makoto no jakusha

sounandayone . gijutsu ganakute shigoto wo era renai nin demo rinjin ni sasae rarete amakaze woshinogete meshi ga kue reba tsugini yaritaikotoha jouhoushuushuu to shokugyoukunren darou .

maa , soremo mentaritei no hanashi datoiebasoremadedehaaru . yaru kino nai mono wo muri yari hataraka setemo shitsu ha ochiru shi iyaga ru mono wo muri ni kunren shitemo muda ni owa ru . shikashisouiu handan mo kokka janakute rinjin no mede mire baharukani seikaku ninaruhazudashi , kokka yorimozutto sasayaka na hagemashi ya chuukoku gadekirudarouto omou .

( ara , o tonari no tanaka san , shigoto nakute ikka sorotte gashi shisoudatte itsutte takuseni yuudou kata misairu wo kounyuu nasattasouyo . yuube monohoshi dai ni haibi saretanowo mita wa . kurasuta dantou no opushon mo duke tandesutte . zeitakushisugidawane . mou mikawa ya no gifuto ken agenaiwa )

toiufuuni kokka to chigatte rinjin nara seikaku ni joukyou wo yomitoru kotoga kanouni naru . honrai naraba chiiki kyoudoutai toiunohahotondo mainichi no seikatsu wotomonisuru hitomawari ooki i katei noyounamonodearuwakedakara .

sorehatomokaku , jouhou wo eru ba toiu imi de chiiki toshokan no sonzai ha taisetsu dato omou .

tadasouiu hitoto ta no kinkou ga tore ta chiiki kyoudoutai gaarutoshitara , fukushi ni tokka shita soshiki toiunoha sonzai shinainodehanaikatomo omou . tsumari toshokan ha mojidoori tadano jouhou akusesu tokoro deshikanaku , goku futsuu ni tatemae doorino tsukaikata wosareruyouninarutoiu chiten ni modoru .w

tohaie shigoto nai nin notameno shoko tsuki netto tsuki shukuhakujo chuunomoaridayona . shawa tsuki toshokan moiikedo .

vuibui 2008/09/05 09:06 > chika neko

> watashi ga omou ni , mondai tosareteirunoha kazuyoshi ni haijo sore jitai dehanaku , haijo no seitouka tosonotameni mochii rareru ronri darou . kusai notameni toshokan ga homuresu wo ( haijo ) sezaruwoenaitokimoarukototo , kusai wo riyuu ni homuresu no haijo wo seitou to koushiki ni shuchou surukotoha , mattaku chigau .

bokumo doui .
dakara , mondai ha nioi deari , mibun dehanaitoiukoto .
sokowo ( homuresu = kusa i sonzai ) to teigi shiteshimauto hen nakotoninaru .

chika neko ha ( kusa i sonzai ) ni shinpashi gaaruyoudakedo ( warai ).

> ma , homuresu taisaku nibita ichibun dashi takunaitoiunoga juumin no ikou deareba , toshokan deno fukai ha jigoujitoku dato omou kedonya .

toshokan ni kagiru nara , nioi taisaku deiikedone .
kudo inode , kono wadai hakono hen de ( ase ).

Yagokoro 2008/09/05 15:31 eto , sasugani 100 moji jasure chigai kan dakegaarunode , outou ni kanshashi te kome ran nite .
gyousei ga mondai toiu tokoro madeha , kanzen ni doui suru .
naraba gyousei no hanashi wosurebaiinoni , ichi kabusoshiki ni sugina i toshokan no hanashi wosurukaraokashikunaru .
yousu runi , watashi to chika neko sanno iken no soui ha ( sekinin ) toiu kotoba nitsuiteno teigi chigai dato omou . watashi no iu sekinin toha ,( shokumujou no sekinin ) deatte , sorewo houki sureba , houteki shobatsu no taishou tonaruyouna rui no mono deari ,( tatemaejou no sekinin ) demo ( doutokuteki sekinin ) demo nai . watashi niha , chika neko sanno iu sekinin kosoga sora ri kuuron ni omoe ru .
gyousei ga , genjitsu ni toshokan ni oshi tsuketeirunoha ( homuresu ) no sonzai sonomonodeatte ,( shokuseki ) deha nai .
tsumari , watashi ha ( kengen mo yosan mo jin'in mo teate sareteinai kabusoshiki no ningen ) dearu toshokan to toshokan'in wo menseki surushi , sonoyouna ningen ni futan wo oshi tsukeruyouna gensetsu ( genjou no toshokan wo homuresu ga juukyo kawari nisuru koto wo mitome ruyouna gensetsu ) niha hantai suru .
gyousei ni kakawa ru soshiki issai wo issho kutanisuruyouna chika neko sanno bunshou ha , gyousei no meirei keitou tosorezoreno kengen no han'i wo mushishi teiru .
ato , koreha chika neko sanno gensetsu toha chokusetsu kankei naku , dochirakatoiuto oomoto no entori ni taisuru hanashi ninatteshimauga , watashi niha ( homuresu taisaku ) toshite gyousei ga naniwo okonau bekikano konsensasu ga , shimin ni hiroku kyouyuu sareteirutoha omoe nai (( arugamamano homuresu wo ukeire yo ) kara ,( gasu shitsu okure ) madearu ). toshokan no hanashi dehanaku , homuresu no hanashi wosurunodeareba , mazusokokara giron shinakerebasure chigau bakaridarouto omou .

tikani_nemuru_M 2008/09/05 20:48 > Yagokoro

shoushou aori kimi no tsuiki ni teinei na outou , arigatosandesunya .
gyousei ga mondai datoiu nekko no ten deha iken no icchi womiteiruyounanode , aru teido nosuriawasega nozome soudesunya .
mazu
gyousei ha kenpou no rinen ni sou kotoga tatemae tonarukeredo , sono tatemae to ( toshokan no jiyuu ) toiu tatemae gaamarinimokami atte shimaunode , toshokan toiu genba de mondai ga sen'eika shiteshimatteiruwakedesunya . kono tatemae ha kenryokugawa karano ( yakusoku ) nanode , korewo tanni ( sora ri kuuron ) tosareteshimauto , sayoku niha tatsu se ganyanosa ( warai
kenryoku no seitousei wo tanpo surunoha rinen desukaranya .

kenryoku ni tatemae no junshu wo motome runoha , sayo toshiteha jitsuni mattoukatsu onken dato omou ze .

> gyousei ga , genjitsu ni toshokan ni oshi tsuketeirunoha ( homuresu ) no sonzai sonomonodeatte ,( shokuseki ) deha nai .

sonotoori desunya . toshokan nisono shokuseki ganya ijou ,( gyousei no meirei keitou tosorezoreno kengen no han'i wo mushi ) shite toshokan ni ( homuresu no sonzai ) ga oshi tsukerareteirutoiukotodesunya .

kurikaesu kedo , gyousei no junshu subeki tatemae to toshokan no jiyuu no rinen gakami ai sugiteirunya .
dakara rinen wo omoku miru monoha , korewo shouchouteki na jirei to mina suwakenyanna .

( homuresu taisaku ) niokeru konsensasu no hanashi dakedo
hoshuteki na shikou dearu ( shakai bouei ) wo koukateki ni okonau nodeareba , haijo hayoi houhou dehanyatoiu kangae ha gourisei gaaruto omoi masunya . sonoatarikara goui wo keisei shiteikerebaiinya .

nannishiro , ko nyan tekini hamouchotto yurui shakai ninattehoshiinya .

gryphon 2008/09/06 10:26 toiuyori , motomotonogo giron karaieba ( gyousei no homuresu taisaku ) ga kanpeki deattemo , homuresu wo toshokan kara haijo surukotoha genriteki ni dekina itoiugo shuchou nawakedesuyone ?
naraba kanpeki na hokano gyousei taisaku gaattemo kuru nin ha kuru daroushi ( zero nidekimasuka )? sorewo genriteki ni ukeire rubekitoiunara mondai ha nokori tsuduke ruto omoi masuyo .

3don 2008/09/06 16:15 > gryphon san
yoko karasuimasen . chottowakaranai tokoro gaattanode shitsumon sasetekudasai .
( kanpeki na ) gyousei no homuresu taisaku demo homuresu ga zero ninaranaitoo kangae nano hanazedesuka .( motomotonogo giron ) toarunode , aruiha ypcpn8 sanno fukushi kan wo shitajiki ninasatteoidenanodeshouka ?
mata ,( kanpeki ) denakutomo , nozomu tokini shawa . sentaku ( hitsuyou nara atarashi i ifuku ) wo uke rareru teido no taisaku ga okonawa rereba , toshokan ga homuresu wo haijo suru riyuu mo hitsu you monakunaruto omou nodesuga . douitta mondai ga nokoru to soutei sareteimasuka ?

watashi hakono entori no chuushin niarunoha ( kusai joutai wo shiira reteiru jakusha taru homuresu wo , kusai kotowo riyuu ni haijo shiteiinoka ) toiu mondaiishiki niaruto omotte imasu ( chigatta ra tsukkomi o negai shimasu ).
betsuni suki konon de ( kuse yatsu ) ninatteruwakedemonai , shikamo jiriki desono joutai kara dassu ru jutsu monai homuresu wo , nioi de haijo surukotoga byoudou wo utau gyousei soshiki toshite datou nanoka ?
doujini , gyousei ni fukushi wo itaku shi ( aruiha sandatsu sare ) teiru watashitachi ga , kusai , to homuresu wo haijo suru ( soreni doui suru ) kotoga naniwo imi suruka . ibutsu no kirisute nitsunagarikanenai mondai dearutomo omotte imasu .

gryphon 2008/09/06 18:49 aa , sono ( motomoto ) ha " tikani_nemuru_M sannomotomotono " giron toiukotodesu .

de ,( kusai ) toiunoha " sonzai " deari , sorewo riyuu ni haijo dekinaitoiugo shuchou desu (02 hiduke , saigo no bubun sanshou ) kara , moshisou kangae runara kusai mamadarouto toshokan ni ire rubekida , toiu shuchou ninarubekidegozaimashou ?( shawa ha youishi ta , kireinisureba nyuukan ka , sonomamanara haijo ) toiukotodato ,( akushuu wo dashi ta joutai deirunoha , sonzai deha naku koui da ) toiu hanashi ninarimasune ( watashi mosou omoi masuga )

>( kanpeki na ) gyousei no homuresu taisaku demo homuresu ga zero ninaranaitoo kangae nanohanazedesuka

genzai no fukushi seido ya seikatsu hogo hamochiron kanpeki dehaarimasenga , juubun suijun wo mita shi , machigai nakuanataga fukushi sabisu ya seikatsu hogo wo uke raremasuyo , toiu nin demo , riyuu hasamazamanagarasorewo katsuyou shinai nin ha itteiteido ha kanarazu dete imasu .( hyottoshitara kami no gotoki ,( chijou no rakuen ) noyouna fukushi seido gaareba chigau nokamoshiremasenga ) sokokara ruisui suruto ( muryou no nyuuyoku koukyou sabisu gaareba , fuketsu . akushuu no homuresu ha kaimu ninaru ) toiuyori ( samazamana riyuu kara , setsubi . sabisu gaattemosorewo tsukawa nai nin ha itteiteido deru ) tono yosou nohouga shizen dehaarimasenka ?
de , mondai ha jouki no ( kokodeno ) somosomono ronpou taru ( akushuu ha sonzai ) ron deha , sono itteiteido no homuresu shi ga toshokan ni otozure tara ( tatoeba homuresu you shukuhakusetsubi ga totonotte itatte , yahari itteiteido sokoniha najime zu , toshokan nohougaiiyatoiu nin ha deru kanousei gaarudeshou ), kekkyoku giron toshiteha furi dashi ni modoru nodesu .

tikani_nemuru_M 2008/09/07 00:28 > gryphon

> naraba kanpeki na hokano gyousei taisaku gaattemo kuru nin ha kuru daroushi ( zero nidekimasuka )? sorewo genriteki ni ukeire rubekitoiunara mondai ha nokori tsuduke ruto omoi masuyo .

genriteki ni dare demo ukeire rubekidakara , homuresu no mondai dakedenaku , hon ganakunattarisurukotonimonarundanya ( muron , koukyou no hon wo nusumu noha shou kirei nao hou tachiga ooi deshounya ). mondai wo zero nidekinai , tokaiunonara , toshokan nanteyamerebaiinoyo .

> kekkyoku giron toshiteha furi dashi ni modoru nodesu .

iikotowo oshie teageyou . chimi ha soutou ni atama ga warii .
furi dashi nimodoruwakenyadaro ?
taisaku ga yuukou deareba homuresu ga heru kotohaikuranandemowakaruyone ? here ba seikou toiu rikutsu surawakannyanokana ? chimi noitteirukototte , hitori demo homuresu ga toshokan ni otozure tara ,( furi dashi ) da , tokaiu gimukyouiku wo oe tara hazukashi kute kuchi nidekinya baka rikutsu nandayo .

mae no entori heno komento mozenzen dame dattakedo , koremoo hanashi ninaranyana .
kao aratte denaoshi na .

3don 2008/09/07 01:06 > gryphon san
o henji arigatougozaimasu .
>( kusai ) toiunoha " sonzai " deari , sorewo riyuu ni haijo dekinai
chika neko sanha

kitanai toka kusai toka kowai tokaiunoha , sonzai noari hou ni taisuru hyouka deshitenya . sonzai noari hou niokeru hyouka de haijo . senbetsu surunoha , sabetsu toshikaiiyouganyandayo

to kai teoraremasu . gryphon sanha jouki wo ( kusai ha " sonzai " da ) to ippo fumikon de yoma reteorareruyoudesuga , watashi ha sunao ni ( kusai ha sonzai noari hou no hyouka ) dato yomi mashita .
mata , chika neko sanha gouriteki sabetsu wo mitome teoidedesu . desukara , watashi no ryoukai deha chika neko sanhaarayuru joukyou nioitemo haijo dekinai , tomo itsutte imasen . tsumari ,
kusai de haijo surukotoha sabetsu daga , sono sabetsu ga gouriteki na toki ha mitome zaruwo ena i . de , genjou homuresu wo haijo surukotoha gouriteki nano ?
korega , watashi no yonda chika neko sanno ronshi desu ( chigatta ra ry).
kuwae te , kusai de haijo suru konnan sato , haijo gasomosomo rinen no haiboku dearukotomo kaka reteoidedesu . dokomade haiboku ga yurusa rerunoka . yurushi teiinoka . koregakono entori no toi kake dearuto watashi ha uketori mashita .
gryphon sanga iu ( chijou no rakuen ) ya kanpeki na fukushi ga tourai shitanaratomokaku , genjou homuresu ha kusai to fukabun de , mizukara nozon de sentakushi tawakedemonaku , shikamosokokara nukedasu shudan ga hijouni kagira reteimasu . ima homuresu wo kusai de haijo surukotoha homuresu sonomonowo haijo surukotoni hitoshi ku , watashi hasoreha jiyuu to byoudou no rinen no ooki na haiboku dearuto kangae masu .

douyara , watashi to gryphon sande chika neko sanno entori ni taisuru uketorikata ga chigatte ite , gryphon sanno mondaiishiki ga nahen niaruka waka ranakattayoudesu . o tsukiai itadakiarigatougozaimashita .

gryphon 2008/09/07 01:13 > kao aratte denaoshi na .
toitta , amari ranbou na kotobadukai wosarerunomoikaganamonokato omoi masuga , soreha fumon ni fusu toshite tsuduke mashou .
toshokan no tou hon ni tatoe runara , kikei ga homuresu no akushuu ha " sonzai " dakara haijo dekinaitoiu rikutsu de houchi surunoha , hon wo tetsuduki nashi ni nusun deiru genba wo mite mo ( hon ga nusuma rerunoga iyana ra , toshokan woyameryaiinonyayo ) to houchi shiteiruyounamonodesune . moshikuha zasshi wo nusuma renaiyouni ,( onaji zasshi wo juu bu zutsu totte , sorehao mochikaeri jiyuu nishimashounya . tou hon gasorede here ba seikou nannyayo ) toka ( warai ).
( furi dashi ) toiunoha , kai tayounimotomoto akushuu ha " sonzai " deari , sorewo riyuu niha haijo dekinai , toiu hanashi nara , genriteki niha koukyou shawa wo abi temo abi nakutemo mondai naitoiukotoninarudesho ? toiu bubun nimattaku henka ganaitoiukotodesune .
koreha ueni kaka reta 3don sannimo kiki tainodesuga , moshi homuresu ga abi tai tokini , jiyuu ni abi rareru koukyou shawa . shin fuku shikyuu nadono sabisu ga " kanpeki " datoshimasu .
sono uede toshokan ga ( anataha akushuu gashimasu . sokono shawasabisu wo tsukae basoreha " kanpeki ni " kaishou sarerunode , soushitekudasai . sono nochi ha ichiriyousha toshite kangei saseteitadakimasuga , sorewoshinai kagiri ha nyuukan go enryo negaimasu )... koreha kore deshouka , hi deshouka .

gryphon 2008/09/07 01:15 (kigou) watashi no 1:16 toukou no bunshou ha , 3don sanno 1:06 soushin no entori wo yomu mae ni kai te soushin shitamononanode naiyou ni zure gaarimasu . nennotame

3don 2008/09/07 03:14 > gryphon san
zure ni taishi teha ryoukai shita uede o kotae shimasu .
shoujiki ni nobe saseteitadakunara , kore tomo hi tomo iikire nai , desu .
jouki no toi ha , homuresu dakedenaku watashitachi mo toujisha ninariuru settei desune . de , toshokan'in ni ( kusai , aratte koi ) to iwa retara , watashi nara , soutou ni hara ga tachi masu . tatoe sorega nureginu denakutemo , desu .
( sonzai noari hou ni taisuru hyouka ) ga sabetsu dearuto iu noha , tsumarisouiukotonanodarouto omoi masu . zenhitei nitsunagari kanjouteki na hannou wo hikioko shiyasui , toiukotodesu . anataha , kusai to iwa retara ikari masenka ?
mashite jibun no kusai ha kyakkanshi shinikui seishitsu nomonodesu . jibun de kusai to omotte inai kagiri , kusai to iu hyouka ha tsuneni futou ni kanji rudeshoushi , jibun de kaizen modekimasen . daitai , kusai toiu bunka . kankyou . kojin niyotte uketorikata ga ooki ku kawa rumonowo , dou kyakkanteki ni hyouka surutoiunodesu ?
ippou ,( kanpeki ) na fukushi shita de , kusai koto to homuresu dearukotoga bunri dekirunodeareba , soredemonao kusai sonzai dearoutosurukotoha gukou ken no ryouiki ni totsunyuu surukamoshiremasen . gukou ken ha koukyou no ba nioiteha seigen sare ema su . tsumari , kusai kakkou wosuru jiyuu haarushi mitome ruga , kusai kusai wo kagi takunai jiyuu no joui nihanai , yotte shawa wo abi te koi , toiu rikutsu desune . tabako no mondai ni kouzou ga nite imasu . kitsuen suru kenri ha kitsuen shitakunai kenri yori joui ninai . yotte , koukyou no basho ha kin'en moshikuha bun'en , to .
kekkyoku , jibun ga kusai to kimetsuke raretakunainara hi , kusai to iwa reru koto yori kusai kusai wo kagi takunainonara kore , docchimo iyana watashi ha kime rarenai , toiukotode .

izureniseyo , wazawaza nioi wobara mako utoshinai kagiri , kusai joutai niirukotowomotte ( koui ) to torae runoha muzukashii njanaideshouka . nioi haakumade zokusei nisuginainodesushi .

> chika neko sama
jibun ga , tasho youno entori wo katte ni kaishaku shite soukatsu suru gu wo okashi teirukotoni kidu kimashita . nanitozogo hiroshi jo kudasaimasuyou , o negai itashimasu .

ypcpn8 2008/09/07 03:25 tokutei no nin ni ate te kaku wakejanaidesuga , minasamano hanashi womiteiruto ( sabetsu surunoha dareka ) toiunomo giron karahazusenai pointo dato omoi masu . soshite watashi no iken ha sukoshi kawari mashita .

yappari toshokan ha homuresu wo fukumu futokuteitasuu no hitobito ga itsutte kurukotonitsuite issai kanchi subekidenai . mae niatta yamatani no houkai shita toshokan noyouninattemosoreha jiyuukyousou bijinesu nomonodehanaikara tousan no shinpai monainode houninjoutai dearubekida .

mae ni chika neko gayuttetayouni , toshokan toiu tokushu na ba nioite gyousei ga kainyuu subeki ryouiki tosoudenai ryouiki toga sesshi teiru ueni , sono ryouiki ni gyousei no shissaku ga ryuunyuu choufuku shite mondai ga fukuzatsu ninatteiru .

tatoebaaru kyuukaku kabin na riyousha ga toshokan de mainichi shini souna omoi woshinagara hitsuyou na shiryou to kakutou surutoiuyounakotogaarunodeareba , nioiwo hasshi teiru kojin ni taishi te ( anataha kusa i . hanare ro ) to kojinteki ni iu noha seitou darou .( kusa i ) toiunoga kojin doushino kankei desono tsudo teigi sareteikunodeareba mondai hanai . toiuka mondai ga muyou ni kakudai surukotohanai . aru kojin ga dareka wo tae gataihodo kusa ito kanji runodearebasoreha darega nanto iouto zettaiteki ni shinri tekini akumade kusa inodeattesoreha yuru ginai jijitsu da .

tanin no kusa sani nayan deiru nin ga kojinteki ni furo dai to ifuku kawo teikyou surunodeareba yoi kekka ninarudaroukedomo , soreha kano dougitekisekinin nisuginainode daremo kare ni fukushi suruyouni kyousei surukotohadekinai . maakoreha edaha no hanashi .

tokoroga , gyousei ga dete kite ( kusa sa ) no teigi woshitari ( darega kusa inoka ) toiu kijun wo mouke tarisurunodearebasorehazenzen betsu da . sokoniha kojin to kojin no kankei de juunanni kawa ru ( tagen ronteki na kusa sano teigi ) ganainode shakushijougi na taiou shikadekinai .

toshokan ga taiou shi hajime ru shunkan ni ( minnaga goui suru kusa sano kijun ) toiuwakenowakaranai kaibutsu ga umare ru . riyousha no majoritei hasono shiriuma ni joukka tte ( kikaiteki sabetsu ) ni anjuu suru .

dakara toshokan ha riyousha no daibensha ya hogosha ninattehanaranaishi ( kusa i nin ) wo senshutsu shitari kuchiku shitarishitehanaranai . riyousha senbetsu nitsuiteha toshokan ha mui musaku deirubekidehanaikato omou .

soshite toshokan no riyousha ha jibun ga kusa ito kanji ru kojin ni taishi te jibun no kotoba womotte kojinteki ni chokumen shite danpan subekidato omou . 99 % guraino kesu deha gaman shite mushisu rukotoninarudarou .

riyousha yuushi ga atsuma tte kusa ito omowa reru nin no minoue hanashi wo kii teyattari jibuntachi no saifu karadekiru fun dakeno furo dai to ifuku kawo dashi teyattarisurunomo yuukou na taisaku dearu .

shikashisorewo toshokan ga zeikin de nantoka shiyoutosurunomomatayokunai . nouzeisha no nakani ha toshokan wo riyou suru kikai nonai nin moirushi , mataaru nin ha dougitekisekinin wo hata sutsumorihanaito ketsui shiteirukamoshirenai . souiu hitobito no goui ganaimama zeikin wo tsukatte hanaranai . kechi de fukushi no fu no ji mo shira nai sukuruji mitaina yatsu demosono shoyuubutsu no fukashin sei ha mamora renebanaranai . arehaare , korehakore , dearu .

doushitemo gyousei ga ( darega kusa ika ) toiu handan woshitaitoiunodeareba majime niyaru hitsuyou gaaru .

tsumari , gyousei ga shihai suru ryouiki nioite ( kouhei katsu byoudou na kusa sano teigi ) datoka ( konnichiha darega kusa ika ) datoka ( konnichiha darega kyuukaku kabin dearuka ) nadonado hijouni ooku no hensuu wo shutoku shite shori suru puroguramu wo motsu hitsuyou gaaru .

gyousei ha bouryoku wo shikkou surutameno ronri kikai dearukara , tadashi i shori ni hitsuyou na teigi to ruchin wosubetemorenaku jissou suru hitsuyou gaaru . sonoyouna ( kouhei na handan ) ni hitsuyou na hensuu ha hijouni tairyou desono arugorizumu ha ijouni takai fuku

ypcpn8 2008/09/07 03:28 zatsu do wowo motsu darou .

soregadekinainodeareba bouryoku souchi ha ( kusa sano teigi ) mitaina tagen ronteki ryouiki ni te wo dashi tehanaranai .

ypcpn8 2008/09/07 03:48 ( dare wo kusa ito omou ka ) toiuyouna kojintekina mondai ni kojinteki ni chokumen surukotoha taisetsu dato omou .

watashi ha watashi no shukyo teki haikei deshika monogoto wo kangae rarenainode kyuu yaku ritsu hou wo biki ai ni dashi te moushiwakenai kedomo , tatoeba kyuu yaku sekai no ritsu hou nioite satsujin noyueni shikei hanketsu ga deta baai , shikei no shikkou mono ha kokka dehanakatta .

( hikoku ha yuuzai desu ) to houtei de sensei nomotoni shougen shita honnin ga hikoku wo korosu tameni chokusetsu te wo kudasa nebanaranaito sadame rareteita . shougensha ha jibun de hikoku no me wo mitsu menagara jibun de korosu toiukotoni kojinteki ni chokumen senebanaranakatta . sarani nochini natte shikei wo mokuteki tosuru gishou ga hakkaku shita baai , gishou mono ha onaji houhou de betsuno shougensha ni korosa renebanaranakatta .

dakara aimai na kioku womotoni kantan ni shougen shiteatono shori wosubete kokka makasenisuru daisansha toiunoha kyuu yaku sekai nihahotondo sonzai shinakattandearu .

kokode betsuni watashi ha shikei no zehi no hanashi woshiteiruwakejanakute ,( jibun no mondai ni jibun de chokumen suru ) toiukotogakekkyoku daikibo na ayamachi wo fusegu kotoninarutoiukotoga ii taidakenandakedomo .( darega shikei wo shikkou suruka ) toiu hanashi ha kyokutan dakarawakariyasukuteiidarouto omotta dakede .

ypcpn8 2008/09/07 04:44 aa , machigai gaatta .( shougensha ga te wo kudasu ) dakedenakute , kyoudoutai nohokano menba mo te wo kudasa nebanaranaitomo kai tearu . shikashi , izurenishitemo ( saisho ni te wo kudasu ) noha shougen shita honnin dato sadame rareteitanode tanin wo yuuzai ni sadame rutameno shinriteki na hadoru ga takaka ttakotonikawarihanai .

vuibui 2008/09/07 09:30 > nioiwo hasshi teiru kojin ni taishi te ( anataha kusa i . hanare ro ) to kojinteki ni iu noha seitou darou .<
soudarouka . toshokan ga hiraka reta ba de , donna nioi mo younin ( subeki ) ba dearunara ,( anataha kusa i . hanare ro ) ha oubou deari , nioi ni tae rarenu mono ha damatte taiseki , tai kan suru igai ni miwo mamore nai . nioi no boryoku ni taishi te , ippanriyousha ha teikou suru jutsu wo mota nai ( jakusha ) deshikanakunaru .

> toshokan ga taiou shi hajime ru shunkan ni ( minnaga goui suru kusa sano kijun ) toiuwakenowakaranai kaibutsu ga umare ru . riyousha no majoritei hasono shiriuma ni joukka tte ( kikaiteki sabetsu ) ni anjuu suru .<
toshokan ga taiou suru mae ni , sudeni ( minnaga goui suru kusa sano kijun ) kuraihaarundayo . dakedo , nioi de haijo ha dekina i basho dearukotomo wakimae teirunode , gaman shiteiruno . shikashi , sokoni duke kon de , nioi no boryoku ga sugi ruyounara , toshokan rinen nooorakana kaishakujitai wo minaosa nakyanaranakunarunoha amarimae . mata , nioi no houchi ha , mewaku wokakeru mono / kakerareru mono no tairitsu kouzou no kenzaika womaneki , sabetsu wo naku sudokoroka , mushiro jochou surunoni shisu rudarou .

> soshite toshokan no riyousha ha jibun ga kusa ito kanji ru kojin ni taishi te jibun no kotoba womotte kojinteki ni chokumen shite danpan subekidato omou . 99 % guraino kesu deha gaman shite mushisu rukotoninarudarou .<
kono jikadanpan setsu ha , zenjutsu notoori hatan shiteiru .

> shikashisorewo toshokan ga zeikin de nantoka shiyoutosurunomomatayokunai . nouzeisha no nakani ha toshokan wo riyou suru kikai nonai nin moirushi , mataaru nin ha dougitekisekinin wo hata sutsumorihanaito ketsui shiteirukamoshirenai . souiu hitobito no goui ganaimama zeikin wo tsukatte hanaranai . kechi de fukushi no fu no ji mo shira nai sukuruji mitaina yatsu demosono shoyuubutsu no fukashin sei ha mamora renebanaranai .<
koreha rikutsu ninatteinai .
( nouzeisha no nakani ha toshokan wo riyou suru kikai nonai nin moirushi ) naraba , toshokan mo zeikin de unyou sarerubekidehanaine ?
( aru nin ha dougitekisekinin wo hata sutsumorihanaito ketsui shiteirukamoshirenai . souiu hitobito no goui ganaimama zeikin wo tsukatte hanaranai ) ha , kichinto gikai de giketsu wo tore ba mondai yone ? hokano gyousei mondai to wake tekono mondai dake , tokuteikojin no ketsui ni hairyo suru hitsuyou monaiwakeda .
( shoyuubutsu no fukashin sei )... kore imi wakannai . mou sukoshi setsumeishi te .

shawa nitsuiteno ii dashippedakara setsumeisu ruga , saisho ni ( toshokan no gawa ni shawa shisetsu wo ...) toiuyouni kai taga ,( gawa ) ha ( soba ) ga henkan saretamonode , toshokan no fuzoku shisetsu toiu ito hanakatta . toshokan wo mushuu nishitaitoiu shuppatsuten kara kangae tamonodehaarundaga , runpen no eisei taisaku no ikkan to kangae temoraebayoi . soredemo , zeikin ha tsukau bekidenaikane ?

> tsumari , gyousei ga shihai suru ryouiki nioite ( kouhei katsu byoudou na kusa sano teigi ) datoka ( konnichiha darega kusa ika ) datoka ( konnichiha darega kyuukaku kabin dearuka ) nadonado hijouni ooku no hensuu wo shutoku shite shori suru puroguramu wo motsu hitsuyou gaaru .<
rinen datoka , sabetsu datoka , runpen mondai tokakara hassou surukara , sounaru . riyousha ga kimochi yoku riyou surunihadosubekika genjitsu ni kangae reba , nanika housaku haderudarou .
shawa setsubi ga chikaku niareba , sono riyou wo ( kojinteki ni ) kuse yatsu ni ( o negai ) surunoha ( haijo ) ninaranaito omou gadouka . setsubi mo youise zu ,( kojinteki ni ) demo ( gyousei tekini ) demo ,( anataha kusa i . hanare ro ) ha ( haijo ) deshikanaidarou .

>( sabetsu surunoha dareka )<
kokokara ronri wo hajime teshimattatameni shikou ga kouchoku shiteshimattayouni miuke rareru . kouteki ni haijo wo kaihi suru setsubi wo youishi , shiteki nao negai de , yuruyakani kimochi noyoi kuukan wo iji dekirunodeareba man toshi dehanaika . shiteki nao negai hasubete shiyuu de kaiketsu shinakerebanaranaitoiukotohanaito kangae ru .

tikani_nemuru_M 2008/09/07 11:03 > gryphon

>> kao aratte denaoshi na .
> toitta , amari ranbou na kotobadukai wosarerunomoikaganamonokato omoi masuga , soreha fumon ni fusu toshite tsuduke mashou .

fumon ni fusu hitsuyou hanyayo .

> toshokan no tou hon ni tatoe runara , kikei ga homuresu no akushuu ha " sonzai " dakara haijo dekinaitoiu rikutsu de houchi surunoha , hon wo tetsuduki nashi ni nusun deiru genba wo mite mo ( hon ga nusuma rerunoga iyana ra , toshokan woyameryaiinonyayo ) to houchi shiteiruyounamonodesune .

eetto ,( homuresu no akushuu ha " sonzai " dakara haijo dekinaitoiu rikutsu de houchi ) shirotoiu mune no genmei wo boku gadokokadeshiteitanonara shiteki shitekudasainya . bokuha ikkan shite gyousei no sekinin wo shuchou shiteirundakedo .
netsuzou shite tanoshii ?

koko igai ha 3don tokaburunode shouryaku .


> 3don
kochirano ito wokumitotta yomi woshiteitadaitesankyu .

ypcpn8 2008/09/07 15:21 > vuibui

hitotsuhitotsuno toi kakeni kotae ru jikan ganakute moushiwakenai desuga , toriaezu ika dake henshin .

> toshokan ga hiraka reta ba de , donna nioi mo younin ( subeki ) ba dearunara ,( anataha kusa i . hanare ro ) ha oubou deari , nioi ni tae rarenu mono ha damatte taiseki , tai kan suru igai ni miwo mamore nai .

( hiraka reta ba ) deha kojin besu de chousei shiteikushikanai . arasoi gaareba gyousei ha arasou mono tachino iibun wo kii te choutei surudakeno gyoumu wosubekideattedochirakano gawa ni tatte shimau iken wo motte hanaranaito omou . kojin to kojin no hanashiai ga hajima rukotomoarudaroushi , sorede owari ninarukotomoarudarou . iwa reta houga dete iku kotomoarudaroushi , betsuno nichi niha iu houga dete iku kotomoarudarou .

somosomo kusa i nin ga homuresu ninatteshimau mae ni , onaji kyoudoutai ni zokusuru rinjin tachigatokkuno mukashi ni meshi dai ya furo dai ya kigae kawo teikyou shiteirubekideatte , sorega suji dato omou ndayo .

toshokan ni miwo yose ru homuresu no nioi no mondai toiunoha , motomotoha kojin ya katei nomonodatta fukushi wo chouzei souchi ni izon suruyouninatta chiiki kyoudoutai heno chousen mitainamonoda . chika neko gayuttetayouni , sono seishitsujou tamatama toshokan de sen'eika shiteshimatta mondai darou .

kokuei gakkou ga tsuneni hitodebusoku to ka juuroudou to kyouiku no hinkon ni ochiiru toiu mondai ga , kyouiku wo kokka ni izon suruyouninatta katei heno chousen dearunoto nita younamonoda .

aruiha kahei no bouchou to shuushuku ga ooku no giseisha wo dasu mondai toiunoga , tono souzou wo kokka ni izon suruyouninatta shijou heno chousen dearunoto onaji hanashi datomoieru .

somosomo toshokan nitsuite nanno kakawa rimo mondaiishiki monai futokuteitasuu kara chouzei souchi ga atsume ta zei dedekiteiru toshokan toiu sonzai sonomonogadounanoyoto omou . toshokan ga yakunitatte iru ten wo mitome rukara ima sarayamerotoha iwa naikedo rikutsu deieba futou na sonzai dato omou . honrai naraba kojin no tokushika ga jibun no korekushon wo ippanni kyousuru katachi dearubekida . kojin no shoyuu suru ie dearukara riyousha ha ( kyakujin ) dearu . minnanomonodearuto doujini dare nomonodemonai toshokan to chigatte boujakubujin na furu mai ha yurusa renai .

somosomo shihou nimo kokubou nimo chisui nimomattaku kankei nonai gyoumu notameni zeikin wo atsume rukotoha futou dato omou .

somosomo kokka ga kojin ya katei no doui nashini shu zei surunoga futou da . somosomo ( jinmin no daihyou ) to yoba reru hitobito ga ( minnano goui ) to shoushi te futou na shu zei wo seitouka suru shikumi ttedounanoyoto omou .

kyouiku ya fukushi no gyoumu kosuto toiu meimoku de kokka ga zeikin wo tsukau kotoni doui shitakotoha watashi ha ichido monaiga , kokka hamochironsonnakoto kini suruwakeganai . kokka ha nani ga gouhou de nani ga fuhou dearukawo teigi suru shuukyouteki de zettai no ken'i wo obi teirukarada .

souiudoushiyoumonainejireno nakani atte toshokan toiu ryouiki niarawareteiru mondai dakeni taiou shiyoutoshitemo ashita moasattemosono tsugi monejiretamamada .


> shawa setsubi ga chikaku niareba , sono riyou wo ( kojinteki ni ) kuse yatsu ni ( o negai ) surunoha ( haijo ) ninaranaito omou gadouka .

sorehamottomo shizen na kaiketsu dato omou .

shikashisoredemonao , kokka ni tayora zu kojinteki ni ( omaiha kusa i ) to iu nohasorenarini iu hou mo risuku wo otte irunodeatte , soreha kokka no mondoumuyou no bouryoku to onaji imi deno bouryoku datohatotemoienai . kusa i nin kara hangeki wo uke temo monku haienaishi , hantaiiken no nin ga araware rebamotto atsuryoku wo ukeru shi , sorega kojintekina oubou no genkai nanoda . kokka toha chigatte ooku no atsuryoku wo ukeru kojin no oubou nihananimo mondai hanai .

dareka kitoku na nin gasouiu shawa setsubi wo kizou shitari un'eihi wo dashi tarishitekurerunodeareba watashi ha tsuneni machigai naku ( o negai ) surudarou . shikashi watashijishin gasono kosuto wo harau kadoukaha watashi gadonokurai kusa sano dageki wo uke teirukaniyoru .

izurenishitemokoreraha gyousei no shitta kotodehanai . gyousei ha nanimo shinakuteyoi . sonokawari chiiki kyoudoutai ga rinjin ni fukushi dekiruyouni zeikin wonakushitehoshiishi , gyousei ga dae ru fukushi noarayuru kinou wo haishi shitehoshiito omou .

vuibui 2008/09/07 21:04 > somosomo kusa i nin ga homuresu ninatteshimau mae ni , onaji kyoudoutai ni zokusuru rinjin tachigatokkuno mukashi ni meshi dai ya furo dai ya kigae kawo teikyou shiteirubekideatte , sorega suji dato omou ndayo .<
> izurenishitemokoreraha gyousei no shitta kotodehanai . gyousei ha nanimo shinakuteyoi . sonokawari chiiki kyoudoutai ga rinjin ni fukushi dekiruyouni zeikin wonakushitehoshiishi , gyousei ga dae ru fukushi noarayuru kinou wo haishi shitehoshiito omou .<

koregaanatano mezasu tokorodearoushi , jiritsu wo kihonrinen tosuru bubun ni kyoukan shinaidemonai .
shikashi , genjitsu niha chiiki komyunitei ha koware teori , sono risou wo yoridokoro toshita giron hashitemoyoiga , sora ri kuuron tono hyouka ha kanju shinakerebanaranaidaroune . genzai no nippon no fuudo ni awa nazu , jitsugen niha uyoku ka no katei ga hissu dearu . muzukashii daroune .

genzai no homuresu no mondai ha , shakai no kouki toshiteno yakuwari wo houki shita kigyou no koyou chousei no giseisha toshiteno sokumen ga shokunou i wake de , naraba hakenshain no ukeire aruiha kubikiri no kibo ni ouji te ( homuresu taisaku zei ) ka nanika wo kigyougawa ni kashi , sokode choushuu shita zeishuu womotoni ( homuresu no shien shisetsu ) wo gyousei ga un'ei surutoiunohadouka . touzen , shien wo ukeru homuresu mo touroku sei nishi , tanni ( megun deyaru ) nodenaku , shisetsu souji nado no zatsuyou wosasetari , shigoto no assen nadowo okonae bayoidarou . kojinteki niha , riyou wo pointo sei toshi , shakaifukki shita ori niha , pointo ni ouji ta nanraka no hensai wosaserubekitomo kangae ru .
mata , shakaifukki suru iyoku nonai , konon desono joutai niiru runpen ha , zenjutsu no shawa , sentaku setsubi teido de juubun darou . sokoni , fuyou ninatta furugi ya kutsu nadowo kinrinjuumin ga kizou surunadosureba , kuse yatsu ha naku nari , wareware no risuku kanri toshiteha juubun kanato .

gryphon 2008/09/08 08:24 > bokuha ikkan shite gyousei no sekinin wo shuchou shiteiru
( dare demo tachiire rukotowo tatemae toshita kou ryouiki nioiteha ,( koui ) niyotte haijo surukotoha seitou deattemo ,( sonzai ) niyotte haijo surunoha mazui nodanya .
toshokan de onani shitari suna asobi shitari kenka shiteiru baka ha , sono koui wo riyuu ni haijo shiteyoroshii . shikashi , kitanai toka kusai toka kowai tokaiunoha , sonzai noari hou ni taisuru
hyouka deshitenya . sonzai noari hou niokeru hyouka de haijo . senbetsu surunoha , sabetsu toshikaiiyouganyandayo .)

to kai takotowo zentei nisurunarabadesuna ( warai ),( gyousei no sekinin ) no mein ha ( donnani kusai homuresu demo toshokan kara haijo shinaiyouni ) toiu genrigensoku nanodakara , masani ( houchi ) igai no nanimo nodemonaidesuna .
( homuresu no shuu sawo gyousei sabisu de hera su ) toiunoha kanzen nawaki michi , honsuji karasoreta nige de , kekkateki nidoregurai heru kaha waka rimasenga ( o mochikaeri you zasshi wo betsuni kounyuu susureba toshokan no zasshi no tou hon ga kekkateki ni heru dearuto douyou ni ), kekkyoku ( haijo dekinai ) no genri ga kawa ranai baai ha taiou dekinaidesho ? toiu hanashi .

tada , watashi no toi ni 3don sanga
( shoujiki ni nobe saseteitadakunara , kore tomo hi tomo iikire nai )
toiunoni iron haosshattenaiyoudakara , souiu kaze ni kidoushuusei sareteikunohaii keikou dato hyouka shiteorimasu .

kakikomi tsuideni ,( gyousei no sekinin ) kanrende mada kai teinakatta hanashi mo .
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> * kouritsutoshokan ha gyouseikikan nandesuyonya .
( homuresu no kenkou wo hoji surunoha toshokan no yakuwari dehanai )
toiu koe ga kiko emasunya . nyaruhodo , gyousei notarai mawashi ha okke desuka ?

> homuresu no kenkoujou no kiki nitsuiteha gyouseigawa ni taiou suru gimu gaaru
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toiu ronpou desuga , koremo karini genrigensoku nisurunaraba
atsusa samusa woshinogi , inochi to kenkou wo mamoru tame homuresu no minasa maha , muryou no toshokan ni kaikan jikanchuu dakeiruyouna enryo nanteshitenaide , hokano nin tachiha 1500 en hodoharatte nyuukan shita yuuryou no koukyou bijutsukan , shoubousho , keisatsusho , shiyakusho , kouritsu byouin ... nadonadoni , kaikan jikan heikan jikan o kamai naku muryou de itsutte yasun deiinodehanaideshouka .
toiuka yoru nohouga homuresu nihaarigataito omoi masushi , toshokan ha heikango ha kuuchou wo kiri masuga , bijutsukan ya byouin ha tsuneni kanrijou , kuuchou ga tsuneni kii teimasu .
zenbu ( gyouseikikan ) nandesukara .
soredeiideshouka ?

kankei naikedo , mukashi ( kochi kame ) de fukuoka kara dete kita jukensei ga , daigakujuken notameni hashutsujo de ichiya wo akiraka sutoiu hanashi gaarimashita . sonotokino koroshi monku ga ( komatte iru nin wo tasuke runoga keikan janakato ) dattanaa ( warai )

gryphon 2008/09/08 08:37 zengo shiteshimaimasuga , 3don sanni kika retakotoni kotae ru

> watashi nara ,((kigou) kusai kara dete ike toiwaretara ) soutou ni hara ga tachi masu . tatoe sorega nureginu denakutemo , desu .( ryaku ) anataha , kusai to iwa retara ikari masenka ?
watashi hamazu ( hontou ni kusai noka ?) woyahari jibun narini jikohyouka shi , hontou ni kusaka ttara hansei shite nyuuyoku ka kigae shimasu . futou dato omotta ra shokuin ni iron wobutsuke settoku , giron . baai niyotteha shihou no ba de arasoi , magarinarinimo " kyakkanteki " na hyouka wo aogu deshoune . soredake .

> daitai , kusai toiu bunka . kankyou . kojin niyotte uketorikata ga ooki ku kawa rumonowo , dou kyakkanteki ni hyouka surutoiunodesu ?
( urusai ) ya ( yotte masu ) momo soutou ni ( bunka . kankyou . kojin niyotte uketorikata ga ooki ku kawa ru ) monodesuga , nantokadokodemosorenarino kijun wo mouke teyatteirunoto douyou nisuru ( shikanai ) to omoi masu . shihou no ba demo kekkyoku , nanrakano kijun de handan shiteikukotoninarunodashi .

tikani_nemuru_M 2008/09/08 18:43 >( homuresu no shuu sawo gyousei sabisu de hera su ) toiunoha kanzen nawaki michi , honsuji karasoreta nige

nyaruhodo .
boku no ritsuron no mein ha saisho kara homuresu taisaku desunya .
sorewo ( nige ) toiwarerunara , saisho kara ( nige ) ga mein desunya .

jaane .

3don 2008/09/09 07:48 > gryphon san
wazawazao kotae itadaitearigatougozaimasu .

>>( ryaku ) anataha , kusai to iwa retara ikari masenka ?
> watashi hamazu ( ryaku ) soredake .

" anatatoha chigau ndesu " toiukotodesune w. gryphon sanha " kyakkanteki ni jibun

wo miru kotogadekiru " hou nanodeshou .( suimasen , omoi tsuitara kaka zunihai

raremasendeshita . yayu suru ito hanainode inen ).
koudan no inyoububun no chokuzen ni sudeni kaki mashitaga ," jibun no kusai ha kyakkanshi shinikui " no

ni , jibun no kusai wo ( jibun narini jikohyouka ) dekiruka ? toka , shokuin no shukantekihandan ni ( iron wobutsuke settoku ) nantesomosomo mizugakari ke ronji yane ? toka iroiro to gimon ganaiwakedemonainodesuga . maakoreha edaha deshou .
de , hondai desuga .

> atsusa samusa woshinogi , inochi to kenkou wo mamoru tame ( ikaryaku )

shitsurei desuga , hyottoshite ( gyousei ippanni kase rareta tatemae ) wo gokai nasattei

masenka ?
( gyousei ippanni kase rareta tatemae ) toha , kokodeha ( jinkenyougo ) nokotodesu . gyou

matsurigoto soshiki ha jinken wo yougo shinakerebanaranai . atarimae desune ?
tadashi , jinken niha toredoofu no kankei niarumonogaarimasu . toredoofu nia

ru jinken haaru teido chousei suru hitsuyou gaari , sono kekka katahou no jinken ga seigen sareru jitai gaa

ri ema su . gyousei soshiki ha bungyoutaisei wototteimasunode , seigen sareru jinken yasono doai

ha soshiki niyottesorezore chigatte kurudeshou . tatoeba kaikichuu no kokkai ha homuresu na

razutomo ippanjin ha haijo saremasushi , byouin ha eiseijoutai no warui nin wo haijo shimasu .
sate , bijutsukan nimo ( koukai no rinen ) gaarimasu . dekirudake ooku no nin ni ooku no bijutsu

hin wo koukai suru , to iu rinen desune . shikashi , kichou de kouka na bijutsuhin no kakuho . hoshu . ten

ji niha bakudai na kosuto gakakarimasu . kosuto wo sage , hiyou wo nenshutsu surutame ( bijutsuhin wo

miru kenri ) wo seigen surunoha itashikata naikotodesu .
muron , koreha koukai no rinen no haiboku desushi , byoudou to iu tatemae no haiboku demoarimasu

. shikashi , koreha bijutsukan no tokushusei niyoru yurusa reta haiboku dearuto kangae masu . bijutsuhin ya

bijutsukan ganakunareba koukai mokusomonaidesukarane .
yurusa reru haiboku gaareba , yurusa renai haiboku moarimasu . tatoeba ( seizonken ) nadoha hai

kita ga yurusa renai tatemae no hitotsu desu . gryphon sanmo bijutsukan , shoubousho , keisatsusho , shi

yakusho , kouritsu byouin ga seizonken wo mushishi temoii , toha omowa nainodehanaidesuka ?

>> homuresu no kenkoujou no kiki nitsuiteha gyouseigawa ni taiou suru gimu gaaru

dakara , koreha tadashi ito kangae masu . mochiron , genjitsu deha risosu ga kagira reteimasuno

de , taiou niha genkai gaarimasu . subete no gyousei soshiki ga subete no homuresu ni ishokujuu wo atae

ru koto ha fukanou desu . kekkyoku , dokomade gimu wo hata sukaha kakusoshiki , saishuuteki niha watashitachi ga ketsu

merukotoninarudeshou .
izure niseyo , gimu wo hata shiteinaikarato itsutte gimu ga kie tenakunaruwakedeha

arimasen .

3don 2008/09/09 07:51 rentou shitsurei shimasu
> gryphon san
soreto , chotto kini nattanodesuga

>( haijo dekinai ) no genri ga kawa ranai baai ha taiou dekinaidesho ?

( taiou ) wo toshokan niyorumononi gentei shiteoidedesune . haijo igai ni toshokan gawa ni yuukou na taiou ganai koto wo zentei ninasatteirunara , koreha totoroji desu .
tatoeba , toshokan ni juunin no homuresu gairu joutai to hitori shikainai joutai dehadochiraga kaiteki desuka ?
kousha nohougayori kaiteki dato iu nonara , hokano gyouseikikan niyotte homuresu wo hera sukotoha ,( wakimichi )( nige ) dokoroka jitsuni mattoude yuukou na ( gyousei niyoru toshokan homuresu no taiou ) nanodeha ?

>( shoujiki ni nobe saseteitadakunara , kore tomo hi tomo iikire nai )
toiunoni iron haosshattenaiyoudakara , souiu kaze ni kidoushuusei sarete

iron wo iwa nai koto womotte handan surunoha suji no warui ron desu . mashite , watashi ha chika neko santo chokusetsu taiwa shiteita wake demonaku , gryphon sankarano watashi heno toi wo gryphon sanhe kotae tadakedesu . chika neko sanga iron wo hasamu giri hamattakuarimasen . omakeni , koreha katei no hanashi desu .
maasorehatomokaku .
kurikaeshi ninarimasuga , chika neko sangaosshatteoidenanoha

kusai de haijo surukotoha sabetsu daga , sono sabetsu ga gouriteki na toki ha mitome zaruwo ena i . de , genjou homuresu wo haijo surukotoha gouriteki nano ?

akumade ( genjou ) ni taisuru iken dearu koto to gouriteki sabetsu wo mitome teiru koto nigo ryuui kudasai .
ano toi ha gyousei niyoru homuresu taisaku ga juu zen ni okonawa re ,( kusai ) to ( homuresu dearukoto ) ga bunri shi eru joukyou ga zentei tonatteimashita . iikae runara , genjou kara homuresu tokuyuu no mondai wo shoukyaku shi , nozome ba karada wo seiketsu ni tamote runoni nazeka kusai mono wodou atsukau bekika , to mondai wo tanjunka shitato ie masu .
muron , soredemonao kusai niyotte haijo suru koto ha sabetsu deari tsuduke masu .( watashi mo ) saisho nisou kaki mashita . sorewo zenteijouken toshite , shikashi seiketsu ninaru koto no hadoru ga hikui kono joukyou deha , kusai koto ga shiteki na shumi no ryouiki , gukou ken no koushi dearuto torae rareru kanousei gaaru , to ( watashi ha ) kangae mashita . sono baai , sabetsu deari tsuduke nagara haijo sareru ,( gouriteki ni sabetsu ) sare eru to ketsuron saremasu .
chika neko sangakono toi nidouo kotae ninarukahawakarimasen . jouki haakumade ( watashi no ) iken desu .
kono toi no joukyou hasomosomo chika neko sanno iken to settei ga kotona rimasu . sarani , watashi no iken no ketsuron ha ( sabetsu de rinen no haiboku daga , yurusa reru kanousei gaaru ) de , koreha chika neko sannokoremadeno ronshi to mujun shimasen .
korewomotte ( kidoushuusei ) toossharunoha muri gaarisugiruto omoi masuyo .